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Elmo Noguchi Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.06.01 02:57:00 - [1] snip discussing moderation - Karass Sayfo
Elmo Noguchi Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.06.01 03:00:00 - [2] Originally by: sesanti Originally by: DarkMatter Quote: The forum downtime was an unexpected result, certainly not the goal. Sorry, don't believe you. This is why I'd need to speak to you face to face... Maybe I'm wrong about all of you, that's certainly a possibility. But I highly doubt it... Heh, thousands of posts at the same time, plus a thousand more on other sites ALL at the same time, is a BIG coincidence for an "unexpected result". Even now they keep lying to us, that's the only thing they know to do. The guy obviously doesn't like goons too much- why would he lie about this point? Or are you only believing the anti-goon parts and ignoring the ones that break your assumptions?
Elmo Noguchi Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.06.01 03:06:00 - [3] Edited by: Elmo Noguchi on 01/06/2007 03:06:57 Ultrapolite Socialites Member of GoonSwarm since 2006.07.20 official website HI! Ultrapolite Socialites consists of 59 members Does being a director of a 59 member corp really count as being a director in the 4000 person entity that is Goonswarm? Real question Edit: Might as well be a member of the next Corp in goonswarm: "Man Train Inc. Member of GoonSwarm since 2006.08.24 official website I am the way into the doleful city,I am the way into eternal grief,I am the way to a forsaken race.Abandon all hope, ye who climb aboard, for I am THE MAN TRAIN. Man Train Inc. consists of 8 members"
Elmo Noguchi Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.06.01 03:07:00 - [4] Originally by: sesanti Originally by: Elmo Noguchi Originally by: sesanti Originally by: DarkMatter Quote: The forum downtime was an unexpected result, certainly not the goal. Sorry, don't believe you. This is why I'd need to speak to you face to face... Maybe I'm wrong about all of you, that's certainly a possibility. But I highly doubt it... Heh, thousands of posts at the same time, plus a thousand more on other sites ALL at the same time, is a BIG coincidence for an "unexpected result". Even now they keep lying to us, that's the only thing they know to do. The guy obviously doesn't like goons too much- why would he lie about this point? Or are you only believing the anti-goon parts and ignoring the ones that break your assumptions? "The forum downtime was an unexpected result, certainly not the goal." That was said by Snowden Vel... and who i was referring that was lying. Read his past posts. YOU read the OP for the answer to this.
Elmo Noguchi Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.06.01 03:10:00 - [5] Edited by: Elmo Noguchi on 01/06/2007 03:09:11 Originally by: DiuxDium Originally by: Elmo Noguchi Ultrapolite Socialites Member of GoonSwarm since 2006.07.20 official website HI! Ultrapolite Socialites consists of 59 members Does being a director of a 59 member corp really count as being a director in the 4000 person entity that is Goonswarm? Real question The answer is yes. If we're adhering to the strict definitions of the words and ignoring the spirit, I guess you're right. Does the OP make it read like he was the recruitment director for the entire alliance in the OP? Go back and see.
Elmo Noguchi Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.06.01 03:12:00 - [6] Originally by: Obron Mettlo Originally by: DarkMatter Do you consider acting like a ** every minute you play other games valid? I enjoy being the biggest ** possible in other games. Shooting my team-mates, flash-banging my team, killing hostages, ninja-looting. Anything for a laugh. I play games for entertainment. As to your question about board games with family, my grandfather would send me to my room if I didn't sell him the properties he wanted in Monopoly. Maybe it's genetic. Games are for engaging in activites that can't be engaged in in real life. We enjoy games because they provide stimuli and opportunities that the day to day grind doesn't.
Elmo Noguchi Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.06.01 03:13:00 - [7] Edited by: Elmo Noguchi on 01/06/2007 03:13:27 Originally by: sesanti Exactly, I am saying the idea here on EVE forums was not get the information out into the open but to spam EVE forums. Some threads here would have done it. Not THOUSANDS when EVE forums shows up to 30 or so per page. Read the OP, who you can believe over the dozens of goonfleeters who have said this same thing: They spammed the forum after CCP tried to censor them by deleting all references to the allegations. Did it work in getting information where normal methods failed? Did it succeed in opening community dialogue? The kind of people who believe this is a bad thing probably also believe that Americans questioning the motivation and planning of the Iraq war were unpatriotic because they 'hurt the troops.'
Elmo Noguchi Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.06.01 03:15:00 - [8] Edited by: Elmo Noguchi on 01/06/2007 03:14:27 Originally by: Tabouli Hey wait is it 1) All goons are prejudiced cancers on society and should be outcast and hated by everyone. or is it 2) Prejudice is bad and people shouldn't hate others simply because they belong to a certain social group. oh god euro-liberal dilemma
Elmo Noguchi Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.06.01 03:18:00 - [9] Originally by: sesanti Acting like an ******* ingame within the defined rules of this world is ok (for instance, pirating or even corp thieving which is quite frowned upon). Trying to discredit the company and destroy the game from outside when you are losing is another complete different thing. If you had BOB by the throat you would have never done this stuff. I submit that they would have, because they want the game to prosper, instead of continuing at an uneven, unfair status quo. Where's your proof? I don't have any. This is all unfounded opinion based on previous bias. I'm going to trust me, because I can type better than you and I don't blindly trust authority.
Elmo Noguchi Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.06.01 03:19:00 - [10] Originally by: eleuthereus Originally by: Elmo Noguchi Edited by: Elmo Noguchi on 01/06/2007 03:06:57 Ultrapolite Socialites Member of GoonSwarm since 2006.07.20 official website HI! Ultrapolite Socialites consists of 59 members Does being a director of a 59 member corp really count as being a director in the 4000 person entity that is Goonswarm? Kind of odd, this ongoing fixation on me considering myself a Goonswarm Director. Almost as if that is really the only thing that can possibly be criticized -- if twisted properly. For the record, I used the term "Goon Director" to simply mean I am a director (of whatever kind) in Goonswarm. A fairly simply concept. As a Recruitment director, I was given acccess to corp wallet, all BPOs, and gave input regarding the direction of corp (such as where I thought we needed to re-locate to). Would it help to say I had been an FC at least one time? Okay, I was an FC one time. I helped coordinate the insertion of my 45-man gang that had been gathered in 77s, but unable to get into a very hostile 9-9 system. Gates were camped. I coordinated on channel-command TS how to get us into 9-9. Under heavy fire as various gangs (hostile and friendly were engaging), our gang jumped safely into the target system, and got to the POS without losing a single ship -- even though we were all doomsday's by BoB. The gang under me dubbed us all the Lucky 77s and all said they'd be glad to fly under me again. So, okay, fair enough? Satisfied. And no, I did not on a daily basis run Goonswarm or help run Goonswarm. My directorship was limited to corp responsibilities. I'm not a goonfleeter; I have no interest in discrediting you. The unclear nature of your post was self-aggrandizing and suspect, especially given your extreme verbosity in every other tiny detail. Thanks for the clarification.

Elmo Noguchi Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.06.01 03:21:00 - [11] Edited by: Elmo Noguchi on 01/06/2007 03:20:58 Originally by: sesanti Ahh, it is correct because it was a bad necessity. Cool, I will go to the SA forums and post 4000 threads on it so i can convey a message efficiently, if i am not taking seriously on my initial post. And then whine if they want to sue me for spamming the forums and making them unreadable. After all, i was a bad necessity. /sarcasm off If you had the capacity and you saw a serious issue of corruption that you couldn't get into the public eye any other way, that would be within your rights. PS- I still value your opinions less because you don't know how to use English properly.
Elmo Noguchi Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.06.01 03:24:00 - [12] Edited by: Elmo Noguchi on 01/06/2007 03:23:27 Originally by: Terket Honestly guys, what did you all expect? How's being banished from your traditional recruiting grounds on Something Awful treating you? It's bannable to post about EVE anywhere but a tiny, flaming, meta-humor forum on Something Awful now.
Elmo Noguchi Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.06.01 03:25:00 - [13] Originally by: eleuthereus Originally by: Elmo Noguchi If we're adhering to the strict definitions of the words and ignoring the spirit, I guess you're right. Does the OP make it read like he was the recruitment director for the entire alliance in the OP? Go back and see. Well, goodness, if that's all that's bugging you, then I'll go in and make sure, right up front that it says I am the director for Ultrapolite Socialites. On my way now to make the post perfectly acceptable to you. Thnaks for the heads-up. I'm always open to constructive criticism. Thanks
Elmo Noguchi Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.06.01 03:26:00 - [14] snip stay on topic - Karass Sayfo
Elmo Noguchi Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.06.01 03:31:00 - [15] Originally by: Terket Originally by: Elmo Noguchi Edited by: Elmo Noguchi on 01/06/2007 03:23:27 Originally by: Terket Honestly guys, what did you all expect? How's being banished from your traditional recruiting grounds on Something Awful treating you? It's bannable to post about EVE anywhere but a tiny, flaming, meta-humor forum on Something Awful now. I dunno, man. "Games" has always been a cesspool, so I never really hung out there. I'm more of an A/T troll. Or TGD. It's cool, eleuthereus didn't ever really seem like a good fit for GS. No hard feelings, more targets or whatever the latest GF :eve-o: catchphrase is. Also: Yeah, it doesn't really matter except for recruitment. I don't know how many people you get on a weekly basis now, but the brand new folks aren't going to be reading your exploits anymore. Will it be a big issue? How far can you attrit people before it becomes a problem?
Elmo Noguchi Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.06.01 03:41:00 - [16] Originally by: Sir Lolle He has to clear his name so that he can get into BNC, obviously. I don't really see why you think he would want to join BoB, those princes of space, with their wonderful gear and skillful fleet commanders. Their dedication and training are top notch and everything they do is military in precision. Why do you think this thread has anything to do with joining them?
Elmo Noguchi Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.06.01 03:42:00 - [17] Originally by: Urikko Originally by: Sir Lolle He has to clear his name so that he can get into BNC, obviously. Pfft no worries there, just MSN your buddy dev and have him clear the corp history. No goons shown = free ride into BoB! Wait, everyone Goons don't like has a Dev contact now?
Elmo Noguchi Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.06.01 03:46:00 - [18] Originally by: Erichk Knaar bloated, ignorant, mollycoddled, first-world youth. This IS a big issue and I think a big part of the 'edgy' humor that goons are so fond of.
Elmo Noguchi Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.06.01 03:48:00 - [19] Originally by: Bippa Edited by: Bippa on 01/06/2007 03:42:52 Originally by: Elmo Noguchi Wait, everyone Goons don't like has a Dev contact now? God, no wonder Goons hate pubbies, you are stupid. The unhappy smiley is meant to indicate my disbelief in the authenticity of the statement. I was attempting to imply that the joke was kind of bad because the "enemies=dev MSN lolololol" joke only really works on BoB, and not too well there. Kill yourself.
Elmo Noguchi Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.06.01 03:51:00 - [20] Originally by: Adm Tecumseh What you need to keep in mind is that most of these guys are having fun. They really enjoy being idiotic. The get drunk and appoint the newest guy around to command them in battle. The find new and more creative ways to uselessly die. All then while they call themselves names. They constantly make fun of everything around them. All the time I have spent reading their forums and flying in their gangs ( I am not telling you as who, I am not the singing spy) I have come to find that these guys for the most part just don't care about eve they care about having what they consider fun. So far this looks like a pro-goon post. IT IS NOT. They have a leadership core that is totally and completely rotten. The top of this pyramid scam has bilked billions of isk from the players, they have scammed the very people they claim to champion. They are corrupt and full of hate. They are racist, bigotted, and homophobic. The comments that are made are often repeated by much newer goons thinking that they are jokes, but they are not. They champion the use of crude pictures such as Will Smith stomping down the World Trade Centre or a man punching a woman as they enter court in their signatures. But the worst thing about them is that they will find everything I said as a reason to get more crass and make more vile images. They feed of this like catfish on sewage. They are sick, twisted and vile and it is tragic that most of the fun loving goons are falling head over heels in love with them. I completely agree with what goonfleet does, It introduces noobs to 0.0 and fleet combat. It breaks them in and makes the game fun for people that have spent a month or 2 missioning in high sec and want to see something else. There is tons of room in eve for that part of goonfleet, But for4 the people at the top, it is only a matter of time before they really screw up in game or rl and are forced to leave. I will sit back and continue to enjoy the antics of the lower level goons while despising and collecting the stupidity of the ones who believe that they are truely above the law and eula. Source on the isk theft? The OP just carefully explained how the nasty stuff is intended as a meta-joke at the people LIKE YOU who are offended by it and you come in here with this half-ass, surface level drek? Read the OP and then come back.

Elmo Noguchi Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.06.01 03:52:00 - [21] Edited by: Elmo Noguchi on 01/06/2007 03:51:11 Originally by: Thesas I find it interesting that this post wasnÆt locked immediately. A distrustful person might say that the anti-goon beginning of the OP has shielded the pro/neutral-goon ending from retribution.
Elmo Noguchi Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.06.01 03:56:00 - [22] Originally by: Adm Tecumseh Originally by: Stoffer Ninjapirate I think you just like the attention. Actually I have flown with him for his whole career (in a variety of characters) in Eve, he would realy have made the best choice as Goonfleet CEO. at least compared to the fools that were choosen by the other fools. So you think a whiny attention seeker who doesn't approve of or fit in with the core values and heart of Goonfleet should have been CEO of Goonfleet? You're a manager of people the world has never seen before- you're going to rock this little planet and make it your OWN as soon as you step away from that computer and into the light of your nascent fame.
Elmo Noguchi Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.06.01 03:57:00 - [23] Originally by: James Duar This thread isn't locked yet? no if you have any more questions just ask I will be happy to answer them
Elmo Noguchi Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.06.01 03:58:00 - [24] Originally by: Stoffer Ninjapirate Terket your impressive postrate has been noticed in SPYAD. get your goon codes out of here what are you trying to do, hack the forum
Elmo Noguchi Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.06.01 04:06:00 - [25] Originally by: Terket Originally by: Elmo Noguchi Originally by: Stoffer Ninjapirate Terket your impressive postrate has been noticed in SPYAD. get your goon codes out of here what are you trying to do, hack the forum No, remember GoonSwarm exists solely to ruin everyone else's experience and/or lives (You see, a lot of people make EvE Online into a Second Life (as it were)). So by forcing our lingo and manner of speech on everyone, we're furthering our wave of terror. well you succeeded I got the terrors damn your overbearing ways goosn
Elmo Noguchi Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.06.01 04:07:00 - [26] Edited by: Elmo Noguchi on 01/06/2007 04:06:57 Originally by: Tenath Please consider, dear readers. Both sides can be right and wrong at the same time. The conclusions reached herein... might not be mutually exclusive. Don't let your brain explode. Wow, you are deep like my philosophy 101 teacher (I took it in grade 10 at the community college I am a bit of a prodigy tbqh) important ideas like this are what will change the face of the game and clarify the thoughts of the shattered playerbase the reunification of all our hearts comes now Glad you could join us and help with the process of rebirth and joy
Elmo Noguchi Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.06.01 04:09:00 - [27] Originally by: CrispyKritters Edited by: CrispyKritters on 01/06/2007 04:07:04 Edited by: CrispyKritters on 01/06/2007 04:06:28 Originally by: Erichk Knaar I wasn't arguing about stereotypes. They are what they are. I was commenting on the fact that the only people who think the word N**r is funny are Klansmen and bloated, ignorant, mollycoddled, first-world youth. You edited, you sneaky goon. No, obviously they haven't. However, the point stands. Chinese isk farmer is not the same as N**r... Since you sound somewhat serious... I'll give you a somewhat serious answer. You argue all high and mighty about racism but yet you stereotype: by linking "goons/goonies" as racist immature homophobes. You are also stereotyping about "goons" as being "first-world" spoiled "youths", neglecting the fact that maybe some of them are third world diseased and dirty immigrants. As a diseased immigrant I object to this goon bigotry and tyranny.
Elmo Noguchi Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.06.01 04:59:00 - [28] Originally by: WarFireV I don't think this topic is going to be locked no matter how bad it gets. How strange.
Elmo Noguchi Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.06.01 14:51:00 - [29] Originally by: Microsoft Sam Originally by: Tetsujin Originally by: Skape Gote Goons are a cancer on this game and they need some serious chemo. Much like your mother. I'm sorry to be the one who broke the bad news. Personal attacks? what are you 5? Irony ITT
Elmo Noguchi Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.06.01 15:05:00 - [30] Edited by: Elmo Noguchi on 01/06/2007 15:04:12 Originally by: Ares Lightfeather He's actually done a lot. He exposed the mentality of the goons on the forum, for all to see. He also posted one of the best written posts I saw in the current month. And he actually is neutral in his post, not insulting either side, just stating that their way are not his. Who didn't know this already? No goonfleeter tried to hide it. Let me congratulate you on being thick as a brick if anything in the OP was a surprise to you.

Elmo Noguchi Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.06.01 16:53:00 - [31] Edited by: Elmo Noguchi on 01/06/2007 16:51:59 Originally by: DiuxDium Originally by: Vital Efters This thread is dumb. eleuthereus you seem to care about leaving goonswarm a lot more than anyone in goonswarm does. You only joined to get your stuff out of the stations you left there as an LV member. And Goonswarm has never denied doing and being all these things you accuse us of. Basically you're some random singing dude who joins lots of alliances then jumps ship when he feels its getting tough or going down hill. This 10 page digitalcommunist style essay is just something he can put on his resume when he goes to join the next alliance. He's not really insulting you guys, just giving us "pubbies" an insiders look into your alliance. Honestly, the only reason to consider this an insult is if you consider your own actions to be objectionable. The post you're replying to never said they think it's an insult, so I have no idea what you're talking about. Replying to your own assumptions, maybe? NEW DEV RESPONSE IS UP

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